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12/01/2008 02:00 PM House RESOURCES


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02:31:43 PM Start
02:35:50 PM Overview(s): Matters Pertaining to the Dnr Permitting Process
05:49:12 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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-- Teleconference --
- Joint with House Judiciary Committee -
DNR Permitting Process
Testimony from: Department of Natural
Resources; DNR, Division of Oil & Gas;
Aurora Power; Escopeta; Exxon Mobil Corp.
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                        December 1, 2008                                                                                        
                           2:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Carl Gatto, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Craig Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                     
 Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                    
 Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JUDICIARY                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Jay Ramras, Chair                                                                                               
 Representative Nancy Dahlstrom, Vice Chair                                                                                     
 Representative John Coghill                                                                                                    
 Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                        
 Representative Ralph Samuels                                                                                                   
 Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                 
 Representative Bob Roses                                                                                                       
 Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                    
 Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JUDICIARY                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative-Elect Charisse Millet                                                                                            
Representative-Elect Kathy Muñoz                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DNR  Permitting  Process  Testimony from  Department  of  Natural                                                               
Resources, DNR,  Division of Oil  & Gas, Aurora  Power, Escopeta,                                                               
Exxon Mobil Corp.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DANNY DAVIS, President                                                                                                          
Escopeta Oil Company ("Escopeta")                                                                                               
Houston, Texas                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided comments  and answered  questions                                                             
during  the  presentation  on  matters   pertaining  to  the  DNR                                                               
permitting process.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE WEBB, Operator                                                                                                            
Web Petroleum Services;                                                                                                         
Manager                                                                                                                         
Land and Regulatory Affairs                                                                                                     
Aurora Gas                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided comments  and answered  questions                                                             
during  the  presentation  on  matters   pertaining  to  the  DNR                                                               
permitting process.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG HAYMES, Production Manager                                                                                                
ExxonMobil Corporation                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided the  committees with an  update of                                                             
the Point Thomson project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOE CAMPBELL, Senior Drilling Superintendant                                                                                    
ExxonMobil Corporation                                                                                                          
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  hearing  regarding Point  Thomson,                                                             
offered comments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN, Commissioner                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  hearing  regarding Point  Thomson,                                                             
provided a prepared statement.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Oil & Gas                                                                                                           
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:     During  discussion  of   Point  Thomson,                                                             
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MARTY RUTHERFORD, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                           
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  During discussion  of Point Thomson project,                                                             
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAY RAMRAS called the  joint meeting of the House Resources                                                             
Standing Committee and the House  Judiciary Standing Committee to                                                               
order  at 2:31:43  PM.   Representatives  Seaton, Wilson,  Gatto,                                                             
Johnson, Coghill, Dahlstrom, Samuels,  and Ramras were present at                                                               
the  call to  order.   Representatives  Kawasaki, Gruenberg  (via                                                               
teleconference),  and   Lynn  arrived  as  the   meeting  was  in                                                               
progress.    Also  present   were  Representatives  Chenault  and                                                               
Johansen and Representatives-Elect Millet and Muñoz.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^Overview(s):  Matters pertaining to the DNR permitting process                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  announced the only  order of business would  be the                                                               
consideration of matters pertaining  to the Department of Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR) permitting  process, with  testimony from  DNR's                                                               
Division of  Oil & Gas,  Aurora Power, Escopeta Oil  Company, and                                                               
ExxonMobil Corporation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR     RAMRAS    expressed     his     desire    that     this                                                               
meeting   would  result   in  a   better  understanding   of  the                                                               
relationship  between the  oil  and gas  industry,  DNR, and  the                                                               
executive branch of Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANNY DAVIS, President, Escopeta  Oil Company ("Escopeta"), noted                                                               
that Escopeta has  been doing business in Alaska since  1994.  He                                                               
spoke  of a  large lease  block (ph)  in the  water with  a large                                                               
reservoir  that  Escopeta  could  develop,  partly  with  Pacific                                                               
Energy Resources, LTD (Pacific Energy), and partly on its own.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE WEBB,  Operator, Web Petroleum Services;  Manager, Land and                                                               
Regulatory  Affairs,  noted  that  Web Petroleum  Services  is  a                                                               
contracting company  that assists  Pacific Energy,  Escopeta, and                                                               
Fox  Petroleum, while  Aurora  Gas is  a  small, independent  gas                                                               
producer  in  Cook Inlet.    He  mentioned his  involvement  with                                                               
exploration  and  production  and  said he  has  three  off-shore                                                               
leases.  Prior  to that, he noted, he worked  for the Division of                                                               
Oil & Gas for 11 years in the Permitting and Compliance Section.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  asked  Mr.  Webb   to  confirm  that  he  did  the                                                               
regulatory work for  Escopeta and that Aurora Gas is  at the root                                                               
of  a situation  involving  gas in  Fairbanks,  "cutting off  400                                                               
customers  here in  Anchorage, and  turning them  over to  ENSTAR                                                               
[Natural  Gas Company],"  and  "the whole  RCA  problem that  has                                                               
ensued."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB answered that is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS mentioned  leases, part of which  Escopeta shares 50:50                                                               
with Pacific  Energy, and the  other Escopeta owns itself  as its                                                               
Kitchen prospect, which he said  Escopeta believes could hold 800                                                               
million barrels  of oil and  approximately 4 trillion  cubic feet                                                               
(tcf) of gas.   The only way to know for certain  is to drill, he                                                               
remarked.   Corsair and East  Kitchen combined have  an estimated                                                               
300 million barrels of oil and  2-2.5 tcf of gas to be developed.                                                               
He explained  that the structures were  found in the mid  '60s by                                                               
Shell, but were never fully developed.   In 2006, Mr. Davis said,                                                               
Escopeta attempted to  transport a jack-up rig to  the Cook Inlet                                                               
Basin; however, due  to certain circumstances, that  plan did not                                                               
transpire.   He related that last  year he showed Kevin  Banks of                                                               
the  Department  of  Natural  Resources   (DNR)  how  much  money                                                               
Escopeta  had  expended,  and  DNR worked  with  the  company  to                                                               
perpetuate what leases  it had for another year  so that Escopeta                                                               
could get the aforementioned rig to Cook Inlet.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS said  all the lease blocks "that are  now in the water"                                                               
and owned by  Escopeta expire December 31, 2008, as  do the lease                                                               
blocks owned by Pacific Energy.   The years of work that has been                                                               
done thus  far have  resulted in Escopeta  having a  rig contract                                                               
and heavy lift vessel contract  and the ability to begin drilling                                                               
wells  in   April  or  May   of  2009,  depending  on   when  the                                                               
aforementioned rig can be put in place.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said he has  been working closely with  Pacific Energy                                                               
in the  development of a  shared reservoir.  A  drilling contract                                                               
was  made  in  Pacific  Energy's name  with  the  knowledge  that                                                               
Escopeta would  have to  "participate in  half of  it."   He said                                                               
there are some  lease blocks in the middle of  the acreage shared                                                               
by Escopeta and  Pacific Energy, which Forest  Oil Company forgot                                                               
to include in its unit before  Pacific Energy took over.  Pacific                                                               
Energy subsequently requested  to have those two  leases in "that                                                               
unit," and that  was going to be "our original  drill site."  The                                                               
state  denied both  leases.   The case  went to  appeal, and  the                                                               
appeal  has been  "sitting  there  for six  months."   Mr.  Davis                                                               
indicated that the state required  Escopeta and Pacific Energy to                                                               
sign a contract for a heavy-lift  vessel to move the rig in order                                                               
to participate, and the contract  was due November 1.  Currently,                                                               
there is no  ruling on the appeal  "to put the drill  site in, in                                                               
the middle  of our leases," nor  has there been a  ruling "on the                                                               
fact the  fact that they were  going to extend our  leases."  Mr.                                                               
Davis  said  Escopeta has  a  $150  million commitment  to  Blake                                                               
Drilling Company for a three-year  drilling contract.  He stated,                                                               
"They  wanted us  to execute  a $10  million contract  with heavy                                                               
lift vessel,  but we didn't have  any leases to drill  on because                                                               
we knew  they were going  to expire."  He  said he has  asked the                                                               
state for a two-year extension  "on these blocks" so Escopeta can                                                               
set up the rig.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS predicted  that upon discovery, in less  than 18 months                                                               
there could  be gas flowing  into the system, which  would enable                                                               
gas to be  supplied in the Cook Inlet Basin.   Development of oil                                                               
would require  building larger platforms, which  would take extra                                                               
time.   He expressed  confidence that  the job  can be  done, and                                                               
reiterated that Escopeta is staged to  do it but remains in limbo                                                               
because  it cannot  deliver to  its partners  who will  drill the                                                               
projects unless it knows where it  stands.  Mr. Davis stated that                                                               
that  is  why he  petitioned  the  state  and  Mr. Banks  for  an                                                               
extension on the leases.  He said  it is confusing to be asked to                                                               
sign a  $10 million  contract to  bring a  rig to  Alaska without                                                               
first having  leases and a  drill site.   He said if  the company                                                               
could drill, an  estimated 100,000 barrels a day of  oil could be                                                               
added to  the Cook Inlet Basin,  along with enough cubic  feet of                                                               
gas to take care of the homes in need.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS emphasized  that Escopeta is not asking for  money or a                                                               
handout, just an opportunity.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  reminded  members  of  the  joint  committee  that                                                               
currently the market  in Alaska is only able to  bring 25 percent                                                               
of  its oil  out of  the Cook  Inlet at  tide water,  is bringing                                                               
about 50  percent of its  oil from  Valdez, and is  importing the                                                               
other 25  percent of  its oil from  around the  world; therefore,                                                               
the ability  to make significant discoveries  flowing through the                                                               
Cook Inlet would  not only be a boon for  the state treasury, but                                                               
also for consumers statewide.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS recollected  that in the '60s, about  250,000 barrels a                                                               
day were being moved in Cook Inlet.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   RAMRAS  offered   his   understanding   the  amount   was                                                               
approximately 200,000 barrels  a day, and now it  is below 10,000                                                               
barrels a day.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said, "I  truly believe  we can  make a  difference to                                                               
that.  We  just need the opportunity, and we're  going to pay for                                                               
the opportunity."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS,  in response  to Co-Chair  Gatto, explained  the steps                                                               
that   were  taken   during   a   seven-year  period,   including                                                               
contracting with  a jack-up  rig, hiring  a heavy-lift  vessel to                                                               
move it,  a trip to Washington  related to the Jones  Act waiver,                                                               
and  losing the  rig to  a much  more lucrative  contract.   With                                                               
Pacific Energy's  help, a  new contract  was executed  with Blake                                                               
Drilling  Company and  with a  heavy-lift vessel.   The  contract                                                               
only becomes valid  if the leases are extended,  a provision that                                                               
Escopeta wrote  into the  contract to protect  itself from  a $10                                                               
million  liability if  the leases  are not  extended.   Mr. Davis                                                               
said there  are partners willing  to work with Escopeta  on these                                                               
projects; the company does not have  the $50 million it will take                                                               
to move  the rig to  Alaska and drill the  wells.  He  offered to                                                               
provide the  necessary information to  prove the funds  are there                                                               
and from where they are coming.   The seven-year period, he said,                                                               
is "the term of the oil and gas  lease you sign with the State of                                                               
Alaska."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS, in  response to  a follow-up  question from  Co-Chair                                                               
Gatto, assured  him that  there would not  be a  repeat situation                                                               
wherein the rig ended up  being transported somewhere else again.                                                               
He said the reason is that the  money has been paid and the Blake                                                               
151  hails  from  Louisiana  and Texas  and  "they're  not  going                                                               
anywhere else."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:50:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS,  in  response  to   a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Coghill, said  Escopeta has  asked for an  extension only  on its                                                               
own  leases.    If  Forest  Oil Corporation  is  not  granted  an                                                               
extension, he relayed,  Escopeta will still be able  to drill its                                                               
prospects,  even   though  the  two  companies   share  the  same                                                               
reservoir.   In further response,  Mr. Davis explained  that when                                                               
Escopeta knew  the rig was not  going to move, the  company wrote                                                               
to Secretary  Churdal (ph),  letting him  know Escopeta  had been                                                               
put on  hold, and that the  company would notify him  when it was                                                               
ready to  move.   Mr. Davis  said he  notified the  secretary two                                                               
weeks ago  that Escopeta  would probably  be "moving"  next April                                                               
and asked him to make known any  problems with the plan.  He said                                                               
so far, Escopeta has not heard back.   He concluded, "As far as I                                                               
know, we're still in business."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:52:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  stated his  assumption that DNR  is going                                                               
to  want  a  commitment  from  Escopeta  that  if  the  lease  is                                                               
extended, the company would actually perform or pay a penalty.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered, "That's the  way it was written  last year."                                                               
He explained that  Escopeta has not yet discussed the  issue of a                                                               
penalty.   In  response to  Representative Samuels,  he clarified                                                               
that he meant a penalty related to an extension.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:53:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  recollected that  Mr. Davis  had stated                                                               
that the  lease blocks  had been  forgotten to  be included.   He                                                               
asked how that happened.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS reiterated the information  regarding the failed leases                                                               
and  pending  appeal.   To  a  follow-up question,  he  suggested                                                               
Representative  Gruenberg  had probably  misunderstood  regarding                                                               
lease  blocks being  forgotten.   He  said the  chair of  Pacific                                                               
Energy discovered that the lease was  going to expire and got Mr.                                                               
Webb  to  petition  the  State  of Alaska  to  see  if  it  would                                                               
reinstate those leases into the  Corsair unit.  He specified that                                                               
they would be the southern-most leases in that unit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked Mr.  Davis if the  state provided                                                               
him with a written opinion  or decision denying those leases, and                                                               
if so, what did it say?                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  said the  state  did  not  provide anything  to  him,                                                               
because the request  was made by Pacific Energy.   He deferred to                                                               
Mr. Webb.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEBB  noted that  he  had  provided  to the  committees  the                                                               
Corsair Unit extension appeal document.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS noted that it is in the committee packet.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:57:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON recalled  that Mr. Davis had  said that gas                                                               
could be available fairly quickly,  but that oil production takes                                                               
longer.   He asked  if there  are separate  reservoirs or  if the                                                               
Alaska  Oil   &  Gas  Conservation  Commission   (AOGCC)  has  to                                                               
determine  whether gas  can  be  "blown off"  before  the oil  is                                                               
recovered.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:57:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded  that there are two separate  reservoirs.  He                                                               
said it  is believed  that oil reservoirs,  which start  at about                                                               
13,000  feet, continue  down  to  18,000 feet.    He mentioned  a                                                               
presentation  made  to  AOGCC,   which  addressed  the  issue  of                                                               
satellite platforms  used to  develop gas  reserves at  a quicker                                                               
rate, and  he suggested  Mr. Webb  could provide  the information                                                               
from that presentation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  he  wants to  know  that  there  is                                                               
agreement that  the gas could  be taken  off rather than  be held                                                               
for enhanced oil recovery or anything like that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB  shared his  understanding that there  was not  any such                                                               
agreement.  He said the  presentation basically focused on single                                                               
casson (ph) drilling platforms, and  he stated his belief that it                                                               
is  generally  acknowledged  that the  different  reservoirs  are                                                               
separate and distinct and can be  managed separately.  He said he                                                               
has not heard  plans for enhanced oil recovery,  although he said                                                               
he assumes that would be water injection and gas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS,  in  response  to a  request,  reiterated  Escopeta's                                                               
projected timeline.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:00:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS asked  Mr. Webb if he thinks DNR  is more interested                                                               
in getting  lease bonuses and  payments or in developing  oil and                                                               
gas prospects in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB opined that DNR is  more interested in lease bonuses and                                                               
payments.   He said the denial  of the Corsair expansion  made no                                                               
sense and was  not in the best interest of  the state, Cook Inlet                                                               
consumers, the  company, or anyone.   He said it seemed  like DNR                                                               
wished  to warehouse  the leases  rather than  let a  willing and                                                               
ready company explore the area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:01:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  referred  to  a  letter  to  Governor  Palin  from                                                               
Escopeta  Oil, in  which Mr.  Davis  wrote that  if the  governor                                                               
decides  to continue  her work  in Alaska,  Escopeta and  Pacific                                                               
Energy, as well  as others, could use her help  in rebuilding the                                                               
oil and gas industry in the Cook  Inlet Basin to meet the need of                                                               
all Americans.  He asked Mr. Davis to expound on that idea.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:02:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS stated  that the decisions that  Commissioner Tom Irwin                                                               
and Kevin  Banks make will affect  the future of the  oil and gas                                                               
industry.  He expressed frustration  with America's dependence on                                                               
the Middle East and said Alaska  has the ability to help the rest                                                               
of the  United States  get back on  its feet.   In response  to a                                                               
follow-up question,  he emphasized the necessity  of getting help                                                               
from DNR to make the drilling possible.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:05:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEBB,  in  response  to   Representative  Wilson,  said  the                                                               
timeframe for  a reconsideration is  30 days, while an  appeal to                                                               
the commissioner has no timeline.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:06:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said he wants to  know if DNR is acting in                                                               
Alaska's  best  interest or  if  "the  combination of  those  two                                                               
leases somehow creates a conundrum for us."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded that Forest  Oil Corporation no longer exists                                                               
here; Pacific  Energy owns the leases  "to the north of  us."  He                                                               
reviewed what  has been done  thus far in conjunction  with those                                                               
leases.  He  said other companies would also use  the rig once it                                                               
is moved up to  Alaska, and the rig would be  in Alaska for three                                                               
or four  years.   In response  to a  follow-up question,  he said                                                               
Pacific   Energy  inherited   their   leases   from  Forest   Oil                                                               
Corporation about a year and a half ago.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB noted it was August 2007.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS,  in  response  to  a  question  regarding  expansion,                                                               
indicated that the  leases in question hold the most  oil and gas                                                               
of  any, and  for  some unknown  reason,  Forest Oil  Corporation                                                               
failed to include those leases in its Corsair Unit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  recollected having heard  some discussion                                                               
about "them  losing that  and then  having to go  out to  an open                                                               
market bidding on that particular set."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied  that in about 30 days,  the companies involved                                                               
stand  to  lose  everything.     In  response  to  Representative                                                               
Coghill, he  recalled that the  prime lease area expired  in May,                                                               
but an extension was requested in  order to "put it back into the                                                               
unit" and "move that rig up  there and drill that location."  The                                                               
lease  area totals  11,364 acres.   Mr.  Davis said  when he  was                                                               
asked  to sign  a contract  for  $10 million  without a  drilling                                                               
lease, it made him feel like "the  Wizard of Oz told me to go get                                                               
the broomstick  of the Wicked Witch  of the West."   Escopeta got                                                               
the contract to the state in time, he added.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  said he appreciates Mr.  Davis' tenacity,                                                               
but he explained  he is trying to figure out  the legal conundrum                                                               
in which the  state might have put itself because  of laws it has                                                               
put in place or the policies that DNR must follow.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS stated,  "If these leases don't get  extended and we're                                                               
not going  to have any legal  action, I'll just go  back to Texas                                                               
and drill  wells there."   He  explained that he  is not  here to                                                               
fight  the state,  but  rather to  work with  it  to rebuild  the                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said  he would like to  overlay Mr. Davis'                                                               
ideas onto regulatory code.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  suggested that the  rule to  follow is a  common sense                                                               
one of asking whether something is right or not.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:12:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEBB, regarding  the timeline,  said Forest  Oil Corporation                                                               
formed the Corsair  Unit and included four leases, and  it did so                                                               
under  the geologic  information  it had.    When Pacific  Energy                                                               
bought Forest Oil Corporation in  2007, it began cooperating with                                                               
Escopeta,   sharing  seismic   information  and   redefining  the                                                               
reservoir.  That, he said, is  when Pacific Energy saw that there                                                               
were two  leases "that  were actually in  common with  the entire                                                               
reservoir."  He  said Pacific Energy did not  become the operator                                                               
of the  Corsair Unit  until mid-November of  2007.   What Pacific                                                               
Energy  inherited from  Forest Oil  Corporation, he  said, was  a                                                               
drilling commitment  to drill a  well 34 days after  becoming the                                                               
operator, which is  why the company applied for  an expansion and                                                               
an extension simultaneously.  He  said there is no legal conflict                                                               
between the  two; "the  two companies, if  they wanted  to, could                                                               
form  one  unit  over  the   entire  reservoir  and  then  do  an                                                               
equalization of interest."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  surmised  that the  inheritance  of  the                                                               
commitment to  drill by the  new partners could not  be performed                                                               
within the given timeline.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEBB answered  that  is correct.   He  said  it was  Pacific                                                               
Energy's  assumption that  the state,  in the  past, had  granted                                                               
extensions  to unit  operating agreements,  and that  [getting an                                                               
extension] would not  be difficult if Pacific  Energy could prove                                                               
it could  responsibly develop and meet  future commitments, which                                                               
it has  done.   He said  Pacific Energy has  "cured" a  couple of                                                               
default notices  and has complied  so far with  every stipulation                                                               
that DNR  has given.  He  said, "As far as  Pacific is concerned,                                                               
they're ready to go except for losing those expansion acreages."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:15:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  shared an anecdote  to illustrate how  history repeats                                                               
itself, concluding  with an invitation to  ExxonMobil Corporation                                                               
to come  help drill  the Cook  Inlet Basin.   In response  to Co-                                                               
Chair  Gatto, Mr.  Davis said  he  thinks neither  Mr. Banks  nor                                                               
Commissioner Irwin  have been restrictive,  but it is time  to do                                                               
something  before the  gas runs  out, and  Escopeta is  ready for                                                               
action.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB noted that in  December 1993, the Rowan Drilling Gilbert                                                               
Road drilling  rig left Cook  Inlet, and  for 15 years  there has                                                               
been no  jack-up rig in the  Cook Inlet.  During  those 15 years,                                                               
he said, not one  single major oil and gas company  has bid on an                                                               
offshore lease, yet  every lease sale for 50 years  has had bonus                                                               
bids  and lease  payments made  by individuals  and independents.                                                               
He defined  "offshore" as [a  rig] that  is not adjacent  to land                                                               
that can  be reached "directionally"  or adjacent to  an existing                                                               
platform  that can  be reached  "directionally."   He said,  "And                                                               
what that  basically has been  is nothing more than  a charitable                                                               
contribution  to the  state, because  there's  absolutely no  way                                                               
that  you  can  develop  an  offshore  lease  without  a  jack-up                                                               
drilling rig."   Today,  he emphasized,  there are  rising taxes,                                                               
declining   revenues,   higher    utility   costs,   and   fiscal                                                               
uncertainty, and  there are  two companies  in Alaska,  poised to                                                               
drill,   who   keep   meeting   with   resistance   and   onerous                                                               
requirements.    He  said  those companies  are  not  asking  for                                                               
special consideration,  "they just want  some of the  road blocks                                                               
lowered a little bit so that they can drill."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:21:11 PM to 3:25:44 PM.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG HAYMES,  Production Manager, ExxonMobil  Corporation, began                                                               
by   reminding   the   committee  that   ExxonMobil   Corporation                                                               
(ExxonMobil) has  been working on  the Point Thomson  project for                                                               
over  a  year.   Mr.  Haymes  then  introduced the  project  team                                                               
members and  some of the key  contractors that were present.   He                                                               
highlighted that ExxonMobil has  assembled a leadership team that                                                               
has experience of 160 years between six individuals.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:29:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES turned  the committee's  attention to  the PowerPoint                                                               
entitled "Point  Thomson Project - Progress  Update," which shows                                                               
a photograph  of some of the  first barges to arrive  on the site                                                               
in 2007.   He informed  the committee  that over 150  people have                                                               
been working  on this project  for quite  some time and  with the                                                               
receipt of  some permits will ramp  up to over 200  people within                                                               
the next  three months.   In  fact, ExxonMobil  will be  ready to                                                               
drill by February  2009.  Mr. Haymes informed  the committee that                                                               
ExxonMobil has  already spent and  committed $125 million  and no                                                               
drilling has  occurred.  The  initial phase of $1.3  billion will                                                               
result in  $250 million per  year in expenditures.   He mentioned                                                               
that this  project is a  world class project that  requires world                                                               
class  people and  expertise, much  of which  can be  provided by                                                               
Alaska's contracting  community.  Point Thomson,  he reminded the                                                               
committees, contains  25 percent  of the  known gas  resources on                                                               
the North Slope.   The gas of Point Thomson  will be essential to                                                               
the success of  the gas pipeline.  "It's  in everybody's interest                                                               
to drill, it's  in everybody's interest to move  forward with the                                                               
development; it  can only help  all of us,"  he stated.   He then                                                               
turned  attention   to  slide  2   of  the   presentation,  which                                                               
illustrates that Point Thomson is  about 60 miles east of Prudhoe                                                               
Bay,  which  is  a  remote  and  environmentally  sensitive  area                                                               
adjacent to  the Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge (ANWR)  and 22                                                               
miles east of  the nearest development, Badami.   Point Thomson's                                                               
reservoir is  12,000 feet beneath  the surface and  straddles the                                                               
coast line.  The pressure for  Point Thomson is 10,200 pounds per                                                               
square  inch, which  is over  twice that  elsewhere on  the North                                                               
Slope.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES moved on to slide  3 entitled "Point Thomson - Initial                                                               
Development  Phase," which  relates that  production is  targeted                                                               
for the end of  2014 and the project is on  schedule to meet that                                                               
schedule.  The base plan is  to produce 10,000 barrels per day of                                                               
condensate through two  wells, drill three wells in  oil, and tie                                                               
in successful oil wells.  He  related that the facilities will be                                                               
designed to the full development  scenario of an export pipeline,                                                               
which will  be capable of 70,000  barrels per day of  liquids and                                                               
the gas pipeline  will be built at a later  date.  He highlighted                                                               
that  this   facility  will  have  process   facilities,  liquids                                                               
pipeline,  an  airstrip, and  a  camp.    The facility  is  being                                                               
designed such that it can be expanded rapidly.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:32:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES  turned  the  committee's   attention  to  the  slide                                                               
entitled "Point  Thomson Project  - Clear &  Committed Timeline,"                                                               
which  illustrates  that ExxonMobil  has  moved  forward on  this                                                               
project despite  being in dispute  with the state.   For example,                                                               
ExxonMobil has worked on its  drilling permits, has secured a rig                                                               
to  which it  has  done significant  upgrades, ordered  long-lead                                                               
time   equipment,  started   engineering  design,   and  procured                                                               
materials.  He pointed out that  the activities go all the way to                                                               
production by  2014, and  therefore ExxonMobil  and the  26 other                                                               
owners have been doing everything on the critical path.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  asked  if   when  Mr.  Haymes  refers  to                                                               
"production" whether he is speaking of oil or gas production.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES answered both.   The initial phase, he explained, will                                                               
delineate  and develop  the oil,  gas, and  condensate.   He said                                                               
that ExxonMobil knows  it can obtain a minimum  of 10,000 barrels                                                               
per  day  through   the  facility.    The   facility  design,  he                                                               
reiterated, is  being developed for more  than the aforementioned                                                               
minimum.   The hope, he  related, is that  the oil wells  will be                                                               
successful and can  be tied in to  produce the oil as  well.  How                                                               
much will be produced is always a question.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON inquired  as to what ExxonMobil  will do if                                                               
it arrives at 2014 and there's no gas pipeline.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES explained  that at this phase, the gas  will be cycled                                                               
through the facilities and reinjected  back into the ground.  The                                                               
resource  is being  conserved, which  is important  because every                                                               
molecule of gas that leaves the  reservoir results in the loss of                                                               
condensate.  Mr. Haymes clarified,  "So, we're putting all of the                                                               
gas back into  the ground, saving that for  eventually when there                                                               
is a gas sales development.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WILSON  related   her  understanding   that  the                                                               
aforementioned  is   no  different  than  what   anyone  else  is                                                               
currently doing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES noted his agreement, adding  that the gas will be used                                                               
to enhance liquids recovery.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:35:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTO  recalled past discussion about  development of Point                                                               
Thomson and the  oil rim.  At  that time, not much  was known nor                                                               
is much known about the oil  rim, which means there is discussion                                                               
about developing oil  without knowing what there  is.  Therefore,                                                               
he  asked  if  ExxonMobil  assumes   that  oil  is  available  in                                                               
quantities that are appropriate, or  is there still a question as                                                               
to how  much oil  is there  and how  long it  will take  to start                                                               
exporting molecules  of gas.   He related his  understanding from                                                               
the AOGCC  that a lot  of oil won't be  left behind just  to draw                                                               
down the gas well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  said ExxonMobil  knows there is  oil and  gas present                                                               
[at Point  Thomson].  Furthermore, ExxonMobil  has knowledge that                                                               
there is more  gas than oil.   He explained that oil  is heavy so                                                               
that it  sits at the  bottom of  the reservoir and  the reservoir                                                               
quality degrades  the deeper one goes.   Since the oil  is heavy,                                                               
it doesn't  flow as easily and  it's thin relative to  the amount                                                               
of gas.   The oil  sits between water  and gas.   Therefore, when                                                               
the oil  flows, water and gas  will also flow because  the gas in                                                               
the  water  flows  more  easily  than the  oil.    In  doing  the                                                               
aforementioned, water and  gas are being produced.   The facility                                                               
ExxonMobil  is constructing  can handle  the aforementioned,  the                                                               
water and the gas as well as  the reinjection of the gas into the                                                               
reservoir.   Three of the  five wells that ExxonMobil  will drill                                                               
target  oil.   Mr. Haymes  related that  the targets  are at  the                                                               
extreme  of   the  reservoir  to   prove-up  and   determine  the                                                               
productivity of the oil.   Eventually, he explained, when the oil                                                               
wells  are depleted,  they become  gas wells.   Therefore,  these                                                               
wells have dual utility.   Mr. Haymes informed the committee that                                                               
each well  costs in excess of  $100 million.  In  comparison, the                                                               
Prudhoe Bay  well costs $6-$8  million, which means that  over 15                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay   wells  amount  to   one  of  these  wells.     The                                                               
aforementioned  illustrates  that when  a  well  is drilled,  the                                                               
desire is to do so that they can be used.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES then  moved on  to  slide 5  entitled "Point  Thomson                                                               
Project  - Nabors  27E  Drill Rig  Upgrade,"  which relates  that                                                               
ExxonMobil has  done $20  million in rig  upgrades and  Nabors is                                                               
spending money on top of that  for additional upgrades.  The [rig                                                               
upgrades] have  been going on since  March of 2008.   He informed                                                               
the  committee that  when  the rig  is complete  it  will have  1                                                               
million pounds of  pulling strength, which means that  it will be                                                               
in the top 25  percent of the most powerful land  rigs in the US.                                                               
He further informed  the committee that the mud system  has to be                                                               
overhauled and  three mud pumps  built to pump 1,600  gallons per                                                               
unit  of mud.   This  will be  the heaviest  drilling mud  in the                                                               
world,   and  therefore   it   poses   some  fairly   significant                                                               
challenges.   Because such large  pumps are necessary, a  new mud                                                               
pump module must  be built.  The module was  built by Aurora [Gas                                                               
LLC] in Anchorage.   Also, the engines have had  to be overhauled                                                               
because  of the  need  for  more power.    The  derrick is  being                                                               
rebuilt   and  the   draw  works   are  being   replaced.     The                                                               
aforementioned work  is on schedule,  and therefore the  rig will                                                               
be  recommissioned  by December  2008/January  2009  and will  be                                                               
ready to  be mobilized  to Point  Thomson in  February.   He then                                                               
turned  the  committee's attention  to  slide  6 entitled  "Wells                                                               
Required for High-Pressure Operations," which  shows a photo of a                                                               
typical  wellhead  that  will  be  used at  Point  Thomson.    He                                                               
reviewed the details of the size and shape of the wellhead.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES  highlighted  that  this   field  is  located  in  an                                                               
environmentally sensitive  area, a  significant traffic  area for                                                               
whaling.   He  informed the  committee that  all of  ExxonMobil's                                                               
wells will  be drilled from  onshore, which means the  wells will                                                               
be long-reach  wells under  high pressure.   Therefore, a  lot of                                                               
planning  and due  diligence is  necessary to  successfully drill                                                               
such wells.   ExxonMobil, he  related, has  significant expertise                                                               
in high  pressure drilling.   In fact, every well  ExxonMobil has                                                               
drilled  in Point  Thomson has  been  successful.   Moving on  to                                                               
slide 7 entitled  "Point Thomson Project -  Site Activity," which                                                               
shows  a  photo  of  the  site  and  highlights  specific  areas.                                                               
ExxonMobil has laid  out a plan specifying where  the barge would                                                               
land and  where there would  be an ice road.   He noted  that the                                                               
ice road will be built from  both the Endicott Causeway and Point                                                               
Thomson.    New  tanks,  camp   facilities,  etcetera  are  being                                                               
installed.  The intent was to do  as much as could be done in the                                                               
summer  so  that when  the  ice  road is  built  and  the rig  is                                                               
mobilized, drilling can begin.   The aforementioned, he said, has                                                               
been successfully accomplished by ExxonMobil.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:44:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SAMUELS  inquired   as  to   how  much   of  the                                                               
aforementioned work was done since November 2006.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES [referring to slide 7],  said "All of this work, here,                                                               
has been  done this  year and  summer."   He mentioned  that last                                                               
year a lot  of survey work and site visits  were performed.  This                                                               
year, the bulk of the work was on-site activity.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:45:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  inquired as  to how many  successful wells                                                               
ExxonMobil has drilled in Point Thomson.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES recalled  that of the 19 exploration  wells drilled at                                                               
Point  Thomson, ExxonMobil,  as an  operator, has  drilled 13  of                                                               
those all of  which were successful.  However,  two wells weren't                                                               
successful due to unique pressure issues.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES,  regarding permits, turned the  committee's attention                                                               
to  slide 8  entitled  "Point  Thomson Project  -  Permits."   He                                                               
informed the  committee that  after the  planning for  the summer                                                               
work, ExxonMobil  applied for and  received five permits,  all of                                                               
which were  approved.  Of the  five permits, one permit  was from                                                               
DNR to provide  access to operate on land to  perform gravel work                                                               
to  set  conductors  at  subsurface   levels.    ExxonMobil  also                                                               
received  a permit  from the  Alaska  Department of  Fish &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G) to  withdraw water from  fish bearing lakes.   ExxonMobil                                                               
also received  a permit from  the North Slope Borough  to conduct                                                               
operations    under    their   land    management    regulations.                                                               
Furthermore, ExxonMobil  received a conflict  avoidance agreement                                                               
from the  Alaska Whaling Commission  such that  ExxonMobil agreed                                                               
to shut down  its barging operations so as not  to interfere with                                                               
subsistence activities.   ExxonMobil  also received  a US  Fish &                                                               
Wildlife  permit  for  the  incidental  taking  of  wildlife,  if                                                               
necessary  for  the  protection  of human  safety.    Mr.  Haymes                                                               
relayed  that ExxonMobil  has been  working collaboratively  with                                                               
all the  permitting agencies.   Slide  9 entitled  "Point Thomson                                                               
Project -  Barge Route," shows  the barge route utilized  to move                                                               
all  the equipment  to Point  Thomson this  summer.   The barging                                                               
route, he  noted, was  modified in  consultation with  the Alaska                                                               
Eskimo  Whaling Commission  in order  to avoid  interference with                                                               
whaling operations.   The route is about 60  miles, which amounts                                                               
to about  12 hours.   During the  summer, there were  about 15-20                                                               
barge  runs.    At  the  request of  the  Alaska  Eskimo  Whaling                                                               
                                              th                                                                                
Commission, ExxonMobil shut  down on August 20   for three weeks.                                                               
Mr.  Haymes opined  that ExxonMobil  has  worked positively  with                                                               
[Native] Alaska  villagers and will continue  to do so.   He then                                                               
highlighted  slide 10,  which is  a photo  of some  of the  first                                                               
barges  to arrive  at the  site while  slide 11  shows photos  of                                                               
various  equipment  that  has been  offloaded  from  the  barges.                                                               
Furthermore, in accordance with the  approved permits 700 tons of                                                               
material and equipment  has been delivered to the site.   He then                                                               
turned to  slide 12, which  highlights the gravel  work performed                                                               
at the  site.  In  fact, ExxonMobil has constructed  a helicopter                                                               
landing site, including  a camp facility that  would allow people                                                               
to  stay  overnight,  a  fuel   tank  farm  utilized  for  winter                                                               
drilling, as well  as two well pad areas.   He specified that the                                                               
gravel pad  is a 10 acre  site.  As slide  11 relates, ExxonMobil                                                               
has drilled two  well conductors down to 120 feet  where they are                                                               
cemented  into  the  location.    Mr.  Haymes  explained  that  a                                                               
conductor is  a large piece of  pipe that is about  three feet in                                                               
diameter and  offers a safe wall  allowing a drill rig  to drill.                                                               
Drilling can't begin  until the conductor is  in place, otherwise                                                               
the  drilling mud  would be  invasive.   Mr. Haymes  relayed, "We                                                               
have started drilling."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:51:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  asked if  a specific permit  is necessary                                                               
to drill the well conductors.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES  answered  yes,  explaining  that  ExxonMobil  needed                                                               
approval of the  land use permit, which  specifically stated that                                                               
it would install conductors and  sellers on site.  Therefore, all                                                               
the  work   has  been  done   in  accordance  with   state  laws,                                                               
regulations,  and approved  permits.   Installation of  the first                                                               
two wells was  as much as could be accomplished  this summer.  He                                                               
then informed the committee that  the ice road requires knowledge                                                               
of  the water  depth, and  crews completed  water depth  surveys,                                                               
bathymetry surveys,  this September.   Slide 15, he  pointed out,                                                               
is  a recent  overhead photo  of the  site.   He then  showed the                                                               
committees a short  video clip of the Point  Thomson project site                                                               
in  which he  pointed out  various aspects  of significance.   He                                                               
emphasized the remoteness of the area.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES then  directed the committees' attention  to slide 17,                                                               
which  provides a  list of  contributing companies.   There  were                                                               
over 40  Alaskan contractors that  helped with this project.   As                                                               
mentioned earlier, over  150 people have worked at the  site.  He                                                               
mentioned some  of the contractors  that aren't on the  list, and                                                               
said    that    every    day    the    list    of    contributing                                                               
companies/contractors grows.   Slide  18 illustrates  the 50-mile                                                               
ice road  along the coast line  to Point Thomson.   The ice road,                                                               
he related, will  employ 30-40 people for months to  build it and                                                               
maintain it.  Slide 19  offers details regarding the construction                                                               
of an  ice road, which  includes the construction of  a mile-long                                                               
runway  that must  be  able  to withstand  the  landing of  large                                                               
aircraft such  as Hercules  C-133 with  a 155,000  pound payload.                                                               
The ice  road, he related  will require  50 tons of  equipment to                                                               
build it.  Furthermore, 51 million  gallons of water will be used                                                               
in the  construction of the ice  road.  He explained  that an ice                                                               
road is built  by drilling into the ocean,  flooding, and letting                                                               
it  freeze.    The  aforementioned  is  done  until  the  desired                                                               
thickness  is achieved.   Since  some  of the  modules that  will                                                               
travel on  the ice road are  1 million pounds, the  ice road will                                                               
have to be a minimum of five  feet thick or touching bottom.  Mr.                                                               
Haymes informed the  committees that the ice road  can't be built                                                               
today because of  the weather.  As  soon as the ice  depth in the                                                               
ocean is two feet deep,  road construction can begin.  Therefore,                                                               
within two weeks, ExxonMobil will  be waiting on permits [for the                                                               
ice road].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:56:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES,  moving  on  to slide  20  entitled  "Point  Thomson                                                               
Project  - Permits,"  pointed  out 22  permits  are necessary  to                                                               
build the  ice road and  drill.  Of those  22 permits, 16  are in                                                               
hand or  on their way  and 6 are  of concern.   He said  that two                                                               
permits are being  denied, one of which is a  land use permit and                                                               
the  other is  the  plan of  operations.   There  are four  other                                                               
permits for  which ExxonMobil doesn't know  the status, including                                                               
a temporary water use permit  from DNR, a consistency review from                                                               
DNR, a  geophysical permit  from DNR,  and drilling  permits from                                                               
the AOGCC.   The land use  permit and temporary water  use permit                                                               
are  necessary, otherwise  the ice  road can't  be built.   After                                                               
construction  of   the  ice  road,   permits  for  the   plan  of                                                               
operations,  consistency review,  geophysical,  and drilling  are                                                               
necessary to actually drill.   With regard to correspondence that                                                               
ExxonMobil  didn't  want  to  build  the  ice  road  to  do  site                                                               
remediation, Mr.  Haymes said that's  incorrect.  The plan  is to                                                               
build the  ice road to  drill and  perform site remediation.   In                                                               
fact, ExxonMobil has been working  on site remediation with AOGCC                                                               
since  June of  2007 on  10 wells.   Furthermore,  funding is  in                                                               
place to do  so.  The intent  is to build the ice  road to drill,                                                               
but  also use  that  infrastructure  to perform  other  work.   A                                                               
number of companies have called Exxon  to ask to use the ice road                                                               
and  ExxonMobil  has been  working  in  confidence on  commercial                                                               
arrangements  to  do  so.     Mr.  Haymes  opined  that  it's  in                                                               
everybody's interest to drill.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:58:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES,  referring to  slide 21,  highlighted that  once this                                                               
project is  complete Point  Thomson will  be the  world's highest                                                               
pressure  gas cycling  project.   The project  is in  its initial                                                               
phase of development.   Mr. Haymes pointed out that  there are 27                                                               
owners at Point Thomson who  have already spent $800 million plus                                                               
$125 million.   This phase will cost another $1.2  billion on top                                                               
of that.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:59:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  inquired as to  the cost per mile  of the                                                               
ice road.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.   HAYMES  responded   that   although   the  information   is                                                               
proprietary, it amounts to $10s and $10s of millions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  inquired as  to what  happens to  all the                                                               
information, body of work, the $800 million has purchased.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES answered  that the  information  is proprietary,  and                                                               
therefore would stay  with the owners.  However,  he related that                                                               
all  of  the data  is  being  shared  with  the AOGCC  through  a                                                               
confidentiality agreement,  which has been the  case since August                                                               
of  last year.   The  aforementioned has  been done  because "we"                                                               
believe it's important  to move forward with  development of this                                                               
field.  Furthermore, [ExxonMobil]  recognizes that the AOGCC will                                                               
need  to help  ExxonMobil make  decisions with  regard to  future                                                               
development and offtakes for the field.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS questioned,  "Why would [ExxonMobil] spend                                                               
the money  and why would  [the AOGCC]  issue even one  permit, if                                                               
they ...  want to take  the leases back and  ... go to  court and                                                               
decide."   He questioned why the  parties are at the  table today                                                               
arguing over this project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES related that in the  past there have been questions in                                                               
terms of whether  ExxonMobil can be trusted to  execute this plan                                                               
of development.  In fact, from  1977-2005, there were 21 plans of                                                               
development at Point  Thomson, each of which was  approved by DNR                                                               
in consultation with  the owners.  At  different times ExxonMobil                                                               
has reviewed large scale cycles,  large scale gas sales, but each                                                               
time it  has come together  and agreed  upon the next  steps, and                                                               
modified the  plan of development  accordingly.  There  have been                                                               
surprises, or rather new information  that has caused a change in                                                               
course.   He  pointed  out  that change  in  course  has been  in                                                               
consultation with DNR.   The owners are all  committed to develop                                                               
Point  Thomson, and  furthermore  it's in  the  best interest  of                                                               
everyone  to  move forward.    ExxonMobil  has kept  the  project                                                               
schedule  alive so  that construction  can  begin by  2014.   Mr.                                                               
Haymes said,  "We believe  we can  resolve the  dispute.   We are                                                               
currently  in good  faith settlement  discussions  with the  DNR;                                                               
we're hopeful  we can  resolve this  issue.   I can't  talk about                                                               
those  settlement discussions,  they're confidential."   He  then                                                               
related that ExxonMobil  looks forward to working  with the state                                                               
to move  forward with the  development of Point Thomson,  the gas                                                               
pipeline, and any  other resource that partners may  wish to join                                                               
ExxonMobil.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:04:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE   CAMPBELL,   Senior  Drilling   Superintendant,   ExxonMobil                                                               
Corporation, began by informing the  committee that on December 6                                                               
he will have been with ExxonMobil  for 28 years and has worked in                                                               
Alaska  in 1981  and  1982.   In response  to  Chair Ramras,  Mr.                                                               
Campbell recommended  that the state  proceed with  the drilling.                                                               
He explained  that there is a  120-man camp at Point  Thomson, of                                                               
which part of  it is for the construction and  maintenance of the                                                               
ice  road.    Mr.  Campbell  pointed out  that  he  is  the  site                                                               
supervisor  and thus  he  would have  some  authority over  those                                                               
staff working in construction.   He estimated that there would be                                                               
a staff of  100-120 at a time  and other staff would  come out at                                                               
various  times.    In  response to  Chair  Ramras,  Mr.  Campbell                                                               
confirmed that  many of the  staff would be Alaskans,  trained in                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  asked if ExxonMobil,  in its 21 plans  to date,                                                               
has ever been  as far along as  it is in this  particular plan of                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  answered that  it has  never been as  far along  in a                                                               
plan of development  for Point Thomson as it is  today.  Not only                                                               
is  engineering work  being  done,  ExxonMobil is  two-and-a-half                                                               
months  away from  starting development  wells.   ExxonMobil  has                                                               
never drilled  a development well  at Point Thomson,  which means                                                               
that although  they will be  capable of producing in  the future,                                                               
they're typically not set up for development.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON surmised  then that 21 times  ExxonMobil has had                                                               
a plan of  development that was less developed than  this plan of                                                               
development and those were approved.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:07:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON,  regarding   leases  and  termination  of                                                               
leases, recalled  that if  a well is  capable of  production, the                                                               
leases are extended,  which cancels the termination  of the unit.                                                               
He asked  if that's correct.   He restated, "Is Exxon  wanting to                                                               
have a  well so then  they extend the  leases and ...  cancel the                                                               
termination and  DNR has made  the determination to  cancel these                                                               
leases and cancel  the unit.  And  if they permit you  to drill a                                                               
well, then  you have legal  rights to maintain the  ownership for                                                               
an extended period of time, whether you produce or not."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  pointed out  that there  are different  categories of                                                               
leases.   For example, under  current regulations a lease  can be                                                               
retained for a  certified well or a well capable  of producing in                                                               
payable quantities.   ExxonMobil is interested  in developing the                                                               
resource, not leases,  he clarified.  The  Point Thomson resource                                                               
spans a  number of leases,  and therefore it wouldn't  be prudent                                                               
for ExxonMobil  to focus on  developing a lease.   ExxonMobil, he                                                               
relayed, is focused  on the leases that link  together to develop                                                               
the  resource.   The  resource under  the  ground doesn't  follow                                                               
lease boundaries.   This  plan is focused  on the  development of                                                               
the resource,  the heart of  the reservoir for gas  cycling, gas,                                                               
and condensate while developing the flank  of the oil to learn as                                                               
much as  possible.   The aforementioned sets  the stage  for full                                                               
field  development for  oil,  cycling, gas  or  a combination  of                                                               
those.  This plan of development,  he said, is based on objective                                                               
technical work from  many owners.  ExxonMobil,  he reiterated, is                                                               
focused on bringing the resource to production.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON inquired as to  unit termination.  He posed                                                               
a  scenario in  which there's  a  well capable  of production  at                                                               
payable  quantities,   and  asked   if  that  would   cancel  the                                                               
termination of the unit such that the entire unit is maintained.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES  specified  that  a  unit holds  a  group  of  leases                                                               
together.   At this  point, ExxonMobil is  in court  over whether                                                               
there  is  a  unit or  not.    The  leases  can be  held  through                                                               
different means.   He  informed the  committee that  leases don't                                                               
expire for 90  days after the unit was terminated.   If there's a                                                               
drilling operation  underway on  those leases, then  those leases                                                               
can  be  retained  in  accordance   with  regulations  and  lease                                                               
conditions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  posed a scenario  in which some  leases in                                                               
the center of the unit were  held under those terms and the state                                                               
succeeded in  having the  unit terminated  and took  other leases                                                               
back.   In  such  a scenario,  how  would the  state  be able  to                                                               
proceed with resale/reissuance of the unit or bid, he asked.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  deferred to  DNR.   He then  offered that  if various                                                               
owners own various  leases that straddle the  same resource, then                                                               
that group  of owners will  have to come  together to form  a new                                                               
unit and gather new information.   After the litigation, which he                                                               
estimated would  take a decade  plus, it would take  another five                                                               
years  for the  owners to  create  another unit.   Therefore,  it                                                               
would be about 15 years before  the point of starting is reached.                                                               
Therefore, the result is a  "real mixture," such that the current                                                               
owners,  even if  there  was litigation  that  was successful  in                                                               
terminating the unit, would still exist in the future unit.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:13:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CAMPBELL,  in  response  to  questions  from  Chair  Ramras,                                                               
confirmed  that  he  has  been  to Point  Thomson  and  the  well                                                               
conductors  are in  place  and  he is  in  place.   Mr.  Campbell                                                               
offered that he  has been working on modifying the  rig to handle                                                               
these wells and be prepared to drill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS asked  if ExxonMobil  owns any  leases in                                                               
the Beaufort [Sea].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES answered not to his knowledge.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:15:30 PM to 4:15:53 PM.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:17:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN,  Commissioner, Department of Natural  Resources, began                                                               
by noting that  he wouldn't say much about  the Kitchen, Corsair,                                                               
or Pearl units  because of court activity.  With  regard to Point                                                               
Thomson, Commissioner Irwin read the following statement:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The subject  of today's  hearing is how  the Department                                                                    
     of Natural Resources manages state  oil and gas leases.                                                                    
     Because  of  my  role  in resolving  appeals  filed  by                                                                    
     companies   who   have  challenged   the   department's                                                                    
     decisions,  my comments  today must  be  limited.   I'm                                                                    
     here  to be  respectful ....    I want  to explain  the                                                                    
     background for  that decision.   As you are  all aware,                                                                    
     the companies that once held  leases to the land in the                                                                    
     Point  Thomson area  have sued  the state,  challenging                                                                    
     Commissioner  Minge's 2006  decision  to terminate  the                                                                    
     Point  Thomson  unit.    The  existence  of  that  unit                                                                    
     allowed  the  companies to  hold  on  to leases  beyond                                                                    
     their primary  term.  Many  of the leases in  this area                                                                    
     were  acquired in  the 1960s  and  had 10-year  primary                                                                    
     terms.   Once the unit terminated,  the leases, because                                                                    
     they  were   beyond  the  primary   term  and   not  in                                                                    
     production, expired.   Thus, Director Banks  ruled that                                                                    
     31 leases expired  after the unit was  terminated.  And                                                                    
     as required by  our regulations, the Division  of Oil &                                                                    
     Gas  sent  lease  termination   notices.    The  former                                                                    
     leaseholders  appealed the  director's  decision to  me                                                                    
     this fall and  that appeal is now pending.   On January                                                                    
     12, 2009, the  hearing will begin.   The companies will                                                                    
     have the  opportunity to  present factual  evidence and                                                                    
     make    legal   arguments    challenging   the    lease                                                                    
     determination   decisions.      Because  I   have   the                                                                    
     responsibility  to hear  the evidence  and make  a fair                                                                    
     decision based  on that record, I  cannot testify today                                                                    
     about the  validity of  the leases.   That is  an issue                                                                    
     that I  will resolve  after hearing from  the companies                                                                    
     and looking  carefully through the evidence  they file.                                                                    
     The  director of  the Division  of Oil  and Gas,  Kevin                                                                    
     Banks,  is  available  to talk  about  the  notices  of                                                                    
     termination he signed  on August 4, 2008.   Thirteen of                                                                    
     the leases  in this area  terminated earlier.   Under a                                                                    
     2001 agreement,  DNR allowed  ExxonMobil to  expand the                                                                    
     Point Thomson unit in exchange  for their commitment to                                                                    
     begin development.  ExxonMobil  gave DNR an unambiguous                                                                    
     commitment  to  drill  a  well in  2003  and  to  begin                                                                    
     development  drilling  by  2006 and  have  seven  wells                                                                    
     producing  by  2008.    The  expansion  agreement  also                                                                    
     provided that  ... if the  drilling activities  did not                                                                    
     occur,  the  leases  would be  returned  to  the  state                                                                    
     without dispute, and ExxonMobil  would pay a penalty of                                                                    
     $20 million.  None of  the promised wells were drilled;                                                                    
     the  $20 million  payment  was made  in  the summer  of                                                                    
     2007,  but the  leases were  not returned.   ExxonMobil                                                                    
     has appealed  my decision  terminating those  leases to                                                                    
     superior court, where an appeal is pending.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     There   are  several   other  legal   actions  pending.                                                                    
     ExxonMobil has  sued the  state claiming  damages based                                                                    
     on funds  they claim they  spent trying to  develop the                                                                    
     Point  Thomson unit.    They sued  after  the unit  was                                                                    
     first  terminated, the  judge dismissed  the case,  and                                                                    
     they appealed  to the  Supreme Court.   Because  of the                                                                    
     pending litigation,  the Supreme  Court has  stayed its                                                                    
     consideration of  this appeal.   ExxonMobil  sued again                                                                    
     for damages after the April  2008 terminating the unit;                                                                    
     the case has  been consolidated with the  appeal of the                                                                    
     unit  decision before  Judge Gleason.   Their  brief is                                                                    
     due at  the end of  January.   They also filed  a claim                                                                    
     for  damages before  the  Department of  Administration                                                                    
     that  is pending  before an  administrative law  judge.                                                                    
     ExxonMobil has  also filed legal actions  at the AOGCC.                                                                    
     In  an   attempt  to   circumvent  DNR's   decision  to                                                                    
     terminate the  Point Thomson unit, they  have asked the                                                                    
     AOGCC to compulsory unitize  leases that Director Banks                                                                    
     has  terminated.   DNR has  filed a  motion to  dismiss                                                                    
     this  unitization  application.   ExxonMobil  has  also                                                                    
     applied  for  a  drilling  permit from  the  AOGCC  and                                                                    
     Chairman  Seamount recently  asked  DNR and  ExxonMobil                                                                    
     whether  a  permit  should  be  issued  over  the  land                                                                    
     owner's objections.   I also  have pending before  me a                                                                    
     request  to  reconsider  three permit  denials  by  the                                                                    
     Department of  Natural Resources.   In addition  to the                                                                    
     ice road  permit, DNR denied applications  for plans of                                                                    
     operations  and for  seismic  activity  on these  lands                                                                    
     earlier  this  year.   I've  been  asked to  reconsider                                                                    
     those  decisions  and  will issue  my  decisions  after                                                                    
     reviewing   the   agency   record  and   allowing   the                                                                    
     appellants  the   opportunity  to   tell  me   why  the                                                                    
     decisions to  deny the permits  were wrong  and provide                                                                    
     any   additional  evidence   they   believe  I   should                                                                    
     consider.   As with the  lease appeals, because  I have                                                                    
     the responsibility to make decisions  in those cases, I                                                                    
     cannot comment further on those today.  Respectfully,                                                                      
     if there are questions ask Director Kevin Banks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:24:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS, regarding  [Escopeta  Oil Company,  LLC]                                                               
("Escopeta"), posed a  scenario in which there  was no litigation                                                               
and the  leases under discussion  end on  December 31, 2008.   In                                                               
such a  situation, he inquired  as to how  long it would  take to                                                               
organize and release those leases.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  BANKS, Director,  Division  of Oil  &  Gas, Department  of                                                               
Natural Resources  (DNR), said that  under the scenario  posed by                                                               
Representative  Samuels, those  leases could  be released  in the                                                               
next  lease sale  for  the  Cook Inlet,  which  would  be in  May                                                               
[2009].                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:25:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS asked if the  price of oil would come into                                                               
play when  talking about whether  or not to  extend a lease.   He                                                               
then  asked  whether  the  lawyers  make  the  decisions  or  the                                                               
engineers and lawyers.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  answered  that  those decisions  are  made  by  DNR's                                                               
resource evaluation  staff and  commercial staff,  which includes                                                               
geologists,  geophysicists, and  engineers.    In the  particular                                                               
case  with  Escopeta,  Mr.  Banks  explained  that  Escopeta  was                                                               
awarded the  leases nine years  ago.   As a condition  of forming                                                               
the Kitchen  unit around  these 19  leases, Escopeta  promised to                                                               
drill  a well  in the  Kitchen unit  by the  end of  2007.   When                                                               
Escopeta failed  to meet the aforementioned  drilling commitment,                                                               
DNR  placed  the  unit  in   default  in  order  to  provide  the                                                               
department  more control  in the  next step  in the  process.   A                                                               
condition of the  default specified that if  Escopeta could drill                                                               
a well by the end of 2008, it  could proceed to the next step and                                                               
keep the  unit.   He highlighted that  Danny Davis  is requesting                                                               
that if  [Escopeta] doesn't drill  a well  in two years  from now                                                               
that it will return the leases.   Mr. Banks submitted that that's                                                               
where the  process is today  and Mr. Davis has  been unsuccessful                                                               
in acquiring  a rig.   The aforementioned becomes mixed  with the                                                               
Corsair unit because  of the relationship Mr. Davis  is trying to                                                               
foster between  his investors and  his firm and the  investors of                                                               
the Pacific  Energy Firm.   Mr. Banks opined that  [the division]                                                               
is faced with trying to make  a decision based on the performance                                                               
of  the applicant  and  its  capability to  perform.   Mr.  Davis                                                               
admitted that  he was  unsuccessful in getting  a jack-up  rig in                                                               
the later end of  the seven-year term of the leases.  At  the 11                                                                
hour, Mr.  Davis requested that a  unit be formed in  the Kitchen                                                               
unit.  The [division's] finding  for that unit specified that the                                                               
geological   information   submitted    to   the   division   was                                                               
insufficient to define a unit.   Mr. Banks reminded the committee                                                               
that the process the division  usually follows in awarding a unit                                                               
is that  a firm acquires  a land  position through a  lease sale,                                                               
the leases  are drilled and delineated  and form a unit  in order                                                               
to  have  the  necessary  land  position  to  take  care  of  the                                                               
correlative rights of others that may  own land in the same area.                                                               
At that point, the firm can proceed to development.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  related that  in  this  case, geological  information                                                               
didn't  indicate  that there  was  a  strong resource  capability                                                               
although  the division  was  told  that a  jack-up  rig would  be                                                               
brought in.   On that promise,  the division decided it  would be                                                               
in the  state's interest to  award the  unit in the  first place.                                                               
Two years  later, no drilling  rig has  been brought to  the unit                                                               
and the division is faced with  the decision to default and as of                                                               
December the unit will be terminated as will the leases.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS then  turned  discussion  to the  Corsair  unit.   The                                                               
Corsair unit  formed at  basically the same  time as  the Kitchen                                                               
unit by Forest  Oil Corporation.  The Corsair  unit included four                                                               
leases.  The  justification of drilling on those  four leases was                                                               
based on  geology that centered on  those leases.  After  a year,                                                               
Pearl  took  over  the  unit and  the  impending  commitment  for                                                               
drilling.   Mr. Banks opined  that the division worked  hard with                                                               
Pacific  Energy to  establish deadlines  for when  a jack-up  rig                                                               
contract  and  a heavy-lift  vessel  would  be required.    After                                                               
several  of  those  interim milestones  slipped,  Pacific  Energy                                                               
requested  an expansion  of the  unity.   The division  was faced                                                               
with  the decision  as  to whether  to grant  an  expansion in  a                                                               
situation in  which the applicant  had performed no work  and had                                                               
missed  several  milestones.    The  division  decided  that  the                                                               
aforementioned wasn't in  the best interest of  the state because                                                               
the  acreage identified  in the  initial unitization  process was                                                               
found to  be sufficient  to support bringing  in a  drilling rig.                                                               
The division believes that Pearl  acknowledged that point through                                                               
the process,  and therefore  the division  decided not  to expand                                                               
the Crosair unit.   If entities don't perform,  he explained, the                                                               
division has  very limited options as  to what it can  make those                                                               
entities do.   The leasing process  is clear that leases  must be                                                               
offered competitively.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:34:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  pointed out  that if the  division succeeds  in the                                                               
objectives  before  it; there  won't  be  a  jack-up rig  and  no                                                               
drilling in  the Cook Inlet, no  construction of an ice  road, or                                                               
development of the Point Thomson unit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS clarified that for  Point Thomson the division isn't at                                                               
the point  Chair Ramras has described.   For the Cook  Inlet, Mr.                                                               
Banks submitted that  there isn't a jack-up rig on  its way.  The                                                               
company doesn't  have the funds  to do  so; Pacific Energy  is on                                                               
the verge of bankruptcy.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:35:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTY   RUTHERFORD,   Deputy    Commissioner,   Office   of   the                                                               
Commissioner,  Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR), clarified                                                               
that  the department  doesn't have  a standing  decision, as  the                                                               
Corsair unit is under appeal to the commissioner.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS surmised  then that Mr. Davis lied  to the committee                                                               
about having a jack-up rig.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  explained that  the  only  jack-up rig  that's  being                                                               
offered is  one by Pacific Energy.   The contract for  the heavy-                                                               
lift vessel and the rig itself is Pacific Energy's contract.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS inquired as to the  milestones that DNR is trying to                                                               
accomplish at Point Thomson and Cook Inlet.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN said that he can't answer that question.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON asked  whether it can still be  said that Alaska                                                               
is open for business.  He  pointed out that Mr. Davis has offered                                                               
to show  [the committees] his  financials that indicate  there is                                                               
the financing for the jack-up  rig.  Co-Chair Johnson opined that                                                               
a year from now when his  constituents have absorbed a 17 percent                                                               
increase  in  gas prices,  those  constituents  are going  to  be                                                               
concerned with  why they  don't have gas  and why  they're paying                                                               
more.  He then highlighted that  there has been testimony that in                                                               
12  months,  the  natural  gas problems  can  be  alleviated  and                                                               
shortly after that  can prevent the importation of  25 percent of                                                               
the state's gas.   Co-Chair Johnson inquired as to  who is in the                                                               
queue that can get the job done quicker.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERFORD  confirmed that  the state is  very much  open for                                                               
business.   She  then reminded  the committees  of the  liquefied                                                               
natural gas  (LNG) export license, which  this administration has                                                               
supported as it  moved through approval of  a two-year extension.                                                               
In  the process,  ConocoPhillips  Alaska, Inc.  and Marathon  Oil                                                               
provided  commitments  to  drill  additional wells  in  order  to                                                               
provide greater availability of gas  for utilities as well as LNG                                                               
export.  Those two companies  exceeded their commitments and made                                                               
their LNG  export facility  available for  third parties  so that                                                               
there is  a market and  an incentive  for new investment  in this                                                               
state.    Additionally,  DNR  is  not sure  that  if  a  two-year                                                               
extension  was  given  to  these  units that  there  would  be  a                                                               
drilling  rig.   In  fact, there  may be  a  two-year delay,  she                                                               
pointed out.  Therefore, there's  no certainty that there will be                                                               
a delay  but rather there's  the hope  that the timeline  will be                                                               
moved forward so  that another entity can  take the opportunities                                                               
provided by the acreage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:41:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  related  his   understanding  that  other  oil                                                               
companies,  as  part  of  the export  license,  agreed  to  drill                                                               
additional wells.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERFORD responded  that ConocoPhillips  Alaska, Inc.  and                                                               
Marathon Oil  Company are drilling  additional wells  in response                                                               
to  the  state's  requirement  for  support  in  the  LNG  export                                                               
license.   That  gas is  to be  made available  primarily to  the                                                               
utilities as well as for their own LNG export facilities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS, in further response  to Co-Chair Johnson, informed the                                                               
committees that ConocoPhillips Alaska,  Inc. drilled wells in the                                                               
Beluga River  unit and is in  the process of drilling  a well off                                                               
the tionic platform  in the North Cook Inlet unit.   Marathon Oil                                                               
is drilling  in the Kenai on  Nikiski.  Mr. Banks  explained that                                                               
the  tionic   wells  are  being  drilled   from  existing  tionic                                                               
platforms.   With  regard  to  who is  in  the  queue, Mr.  Banks                                                               
informed  the   committees  that  Armstrong  [Cook   Inlet,  LLC]                                                               
(Armstrong) is  drilling at North  Fork.  Armstrong  came forward                                                               
with a  rig contract  that the division  requested in  an interim                                                               
milestone for  their unit applications and  plans of development.                                                               
When Armstrong realized  it couldn't get the rig  across the road                                                               
at  Anchor Point  because of  weight  restrictions, the  division                                                               
could deal with  such issues as long as there  is some commitment                                                               
of funds.  Mr.  Banks said that a contract that  says there is no                                                               
contract unless DNR does certain  things, including extending the                                                               
term of  lands that  are onshore  in order to  get a  jack-up rig                                                               
suggests there's not a contract.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERFORD added that the  way the legislature structured the                                                               
entire leasing and plan of  development program is to ensure that                                                               
the companies  holding the land  position are  making commitments                                                               
for  exploration   and  development.    As   companies  are  held                                                               
responsible for the commitments  they've made and negotiated with                                                               
the state, it's about getting  drilling.  When commitments aren't                                                               
honored,  the  department has  to  be  a  good land  manager  and                                                               
recognize that  sometimes the competition provides  for a greater                                                               
opportunity for that exploration and development.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:45:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN  characterized Co-Chair Johnson's  question as                                                               
really  important, noting  that DNR  has been  asked if  it is  a                                                               
proponent of  development.  Commissioner Irwin  reviewed the work                                                               
and  commitment of  various companies  and  the significant  work                                                               
being  done  in  this  state.     Therefore,  Commissioner  Irwin                                                               
emphasized that the department is a proponent of development.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GATTO  suggested  that  the department  feels  like  an                                                               
apartment landlord who faces a renter  who wants a lease but when                                                               
asked  for the  money says  that he/she  is expecting  some money                                                               
some time  in the  future.   In such a  case, would  the landlord                                                               
deny the renter the opportunity to rent an apartment, he asked.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BANKS  answered   that  the   aforementioned   is  a   fair                                                               
characterization, adding  that the state  should think  of itself                                                               
as  landlords.    He  then   reminded  the  committees  that  the                                                               
department awards "apartments" in  a competitive bidding process.                                                               
The  lease has  an obligation  to develop  and produce  from that                                                               
lease.   If the department  decides to extend leases  rather than                                                               
offer them  in competitive  lease sales, it  would seem  that the                                                               
department is offering a lottery ticket  to come to the state and                                                               
negotiate a better  deal.  The aforementioned can't  be right, he                                                               
opined, as it's  not fair to those who compete  in the lease sale                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:49:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GATTO,  regarding the  jack-up  rig,  pointed out  that                                                               
Alaska is a fairly remote location  and he would be nervous about                                                               
sending it to Alaska  in the hope it would work.   He inquired as                                                               
to the  condition of the  rig, the  likelihood that rig  would be                                                               
destined to come to Alaska, and  questioned whether it is more of                                                               
a wish.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS related  that although Blake 151 is  currently under an                                                               
obligation to ExxonMobil,  with a certain amount  of notice Blake                                                               
151 can give the rig to  someone else.  Therefore, ExxonMobil has                                                               
a rig  on hand that's  potentially an interruptible service.   On                                                               
the other hand,  Blake 151 has an option for  others.  He related                                                               
that  the Blake  can drill  in water  depths up  to 150  feet, is                                                               
suitable for functioning  in the Cook Inlet in  the summer months                                                               
when there is no ice.  The  commitment to bring it up to mobilize                                                               
it and demobilize it is on the customer's nickel.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  posed a  scenario in  which "all  this" is                                                               
denied  and the  process stops  until the  lease sales,  and then                                                               
asked can the process be expedited.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS replied  no, specifying  that  the dates  set for  the                                                               
lease  sales  are set  in  the  five-year  plan and  are  updated                                                               
yearly.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if the  lease sales schedule  is set                                                               
in regulation or statute.  She  also asked whether there would be                                                               
a reason to change that schedule.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered  that the five-year plan is set  ahead of time                                                               
per  statute.   The actual  lease sale  date is  schedule because                                                               
there  are  notice  requirements.    Mr.  Banks  added  that  the                                                               
aforementioned was  a response to a  fairly hypothetical question                                                               
and that whether the department  receives full and complete title                                                               
to those leases on December 31 is another question.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  inquired  as   to  whether  it  would  be                                                               
possible to move the schedule up one month, for example.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS offered  to review  that possibility,  and added  that                                                               
there is some possibility to move the schedule.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:55:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS  pointed  out   that  DNR  keeps  issuing                                                               
permits to  ExxonMobil.  He asked,  "Is there a legal  reason for                                                               
this  particular permit  that you're  protecting  the lease  with                                                               
this particular permit?"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS pointed  out that the ice road permit  is one of others                                                               
that  DNR has  denied.   He agreed  that having  heard ExxonMobil                                                               
speak,  it  would  seem  the   situation  is  one  of  "Alice  in                                                               
Wonderland."   He then  opined that DNR  didn't permit  anyone to                                                               
place conductors  in the pad.   There  are land use  permits that                                                               
have  been granted  in situations  in  which a  lease hold  right                                                               
isn't required  to have the  ability to  move about on  the North                                                               
Slope.   He  highlighted that  DNR has  denied the  ice road  and                                                               
ExxonMobil's plan of  operation.  The later  brings into question                                                               
the Alaska  Coastal Zone  Management Plan  permits that  go along                                                               
[with  the plan  of operation].   Mr.  Banks said,  "If a  permit                                                               
requires a leasehold  right, in other words want to  drill on our                                                               
land, that would not be allowed."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:57:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERFORD clarified  that  the distinction  is general  use                                                               
permits  and permits  that  require a  leasehold  interest.   The                                                               
previously  issued  permits  are  general  use  permits.    Those                                                               
permits  being  denied are  ones  requiring  [ExxonMobil] have  a                                                               
leasehold position.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  recalled that  hearing during  the Alaska                                                               
Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) that  Point Thomson isn't necessary                                                               
to  have the  gas pipeline.   He  opined that  the argument  that                                                               
someone is  going to  risk $40  billion to  build a  gas pipeline                                                               
without having Point  Thomson available is a silly  argument.  He                                                               
further opined that everyone should  recognize the need for Point                                                               
Thomson gas.   He then  inquired as to how  far the terms  of the                                                               
lease can  [be changed].   He asked  if it's possible  to propose                                                               
that  all  the litigation  be  dropped  if all  the  leaseholders                                                               
placed  their  gas  in TransCanada's  pipeline.    Representative                                                               
Samuels said,  "You want Exxon, and  Chevron, and BP, and  all of                                                               
the rest  of them to  put that gas  into that AGIA  pipeline; and                                                               
that's the new  leverage point that's going on right  there."  He                                                               
further asked whether that's the "end-game" in this situation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:00:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERFORD noted that the  attorney general has been provided                                                               
a  tremendous  amount  of  authority   with  regard  to  settling                                                               
disputes.     Currently,  DNR  is   involved  in   court  ordered                                                               
settlement  discussions  with  the previous  leaseholders.    She                                                               
recalled  that   in  a  public   filing  at  least  one   of  the                                                               
leaseholders  indicated  that  talking  about  a  particular  gas                                                               
pipeline wasn't something with which they were comfortable.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:01:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS pointed  out  that when  people  are knowledgeable  of                                                               
one's plans, the leverage can evaporate.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  asked if  there is any  linkage in  granting an                                                               
extension in Cook  Inlet as it might set a  precedence that isn't                                                               
desirable at Point Thomson.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  confirmed that  there is no  linkage.   The department                                                               
wants  to  treat  every  lessee  fairly  and  consistently.    He                                                               
remarked  that concerns  regarding  the state's  behavior in  the                                                               
Cook Inlet  haven't entered his mind  in regard to the  impact it                                                               
may have with regard to the state's dispute with ExxonMobil.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  posed  a  scenario  in  which  the  department                                                               
granted a  lease extension in Cook  Inlet, and asked if  it could                                                               
jeopardize the potential settlement  or retraction of leases with                                                               
ExxonMobil.   He further  asked if  such a  scenario would  set a                                                               
precedent that  the state may have  to live with for  an extended                                                               
period of time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  highlighted that the department  has already extended,                                                               
through unitization, the lease terms  for both Pacific Energy and                                                               
Escopeta.  The department has  done similar things for ExxonMobil                                                               
through 21 plans of development (PODs)  over the last 30 years at                                                               
Point Thomson.   There comes a time, he said,  when the state has                                                               
to say  no.  Mr.  Banks opined, "It's easy  to approve a  plan of                                                               
development; it's hard  not to."  Furthermore,  it's difficult to                                                               
exercise the  leverage or the  rights incorporated in  awarding a                                                               
plan of development  because this sort of  discussion will always                                                               
occur in  the public arena.   Therefore,  pressure is put  on the                                                               
department to  make decisions that may  not, in the long  run, be                                                               
good for  the state because the  state would lose control  of how                                                               
its lands are developed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:05:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON,   returning  to  the  North   Fork  unit,                                                               
recalled that the  requirement for Gas-Pro Alaska was  to drill a                                                               
second  well or  the  unit  would run  out.   The  aforementioned                                                               
forced  the  sale  [of  the  unit] to  Armstrong,  with  a  short                                                               
extension with the  promise to drill once a rig  could be brought                                                               
onsite.    If  Gas-Pro  Alaska requested  [and  was  granted]  an                                                               
extension for  a couple of years  for the North Fork  unit, would                                                               
the drilling  and production have  taken place or would  the unit                                                               
have remained in a holding pattern.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  pointed  out  that   Gas-Pro  Alaska  was  in  fairly                                                               
difficult  straights to  pull together  the  drilling program  to                                                               
which Armstrong  eventually committed.  Although  Armstrong had a                                                               
bit more time, it wasn't a lot  more time.  He related his belief                                                               
that Armstrong  was still  within the window  to move  forward on                                                               
the promises  of Gas-Pro Alaska.   Mr. Banks opined that  had the                                                               
leases  been extended  to Gas-Pro  Alaska, it's  likely that  the                                                               
state could  have had  no activity  in the North  Fork unit.   He                                                               
then reminded the  committees that the state  had experience with                                                               
Armstrong,  an aggressive  and well-funded  company, in  the Cook                                                               
Inlet as  well as on  the North  Slope.  Armstrong  organized the                                                               
land  position,  the  exploration   wells,  and  activities  that                                                               
ultimately led  to Oooguruk and  Nakaitchuq oil fields  now under                                                               
development by others.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:10:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM  asked  Mr.  Davis if  in  his  earlier                                                               
testimony he was lying.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered,  "No, I wasn't lying."  Mr.  Davis noted that                                                               
he has never shared with Mr.  Banks, who has never asked, who his                                                               
partners will be.  He offered  to share that information when the                                                               
"time comes."   However, he  said at  this point Escopeta  has no                                                               
leases to drill.  Mr. Davis said:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     To rebuild  an industry,  sometimes you need  a helping                                                                    
     hand.   I'm not asking  for a helping hand,  I'm asking                                                                    
     for an opportunity.  He's  right, my leases expired.  I                                                                    
     think I'd like to be treated  like Exxon.  I've got one                                                                    
     plan of development, they've had  21; so, I guess I got                                                                    
     10-20  years to  go before  I  need to  give my  leases                                                                    
     back.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  opined that  it's hard  to get  the funds  together to                                                               
come  to Alaska.   He  acknowledged that  Armstrong is  more well                                                               
financed that  Escopeta.  Mr.  Davis then opined  that ExxonMobil                                                               
should be allowed to drill Point Thomson.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM asked  if Mr. Davis is  able and willing                                                               
to  have  a  face-to-face  discussion with  Mr.  Banks  regarding                                                               
confidential information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS replied  yes.   In response  to Co-Chair  Johnson, Mr.                                                               
Davis said that he would be able to share letters and such.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:13:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG    related   his    understanding   of                                                               
Commissioner   Irwin's  previous   testimony   that  there's   no                                                               
statutory, regulatory,  or policy  setting forth  a time  for the                                                               
decision once the appeal has been submitted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN said that's correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG then pointed  out that under statutes at                                                               
the  trial  and appellate  court  level,  the judiciary  has  six                                                               
months after a matter is submitted  within which it must render a                                                               
decision or  the judiciary  isn't paid.   Furthermore,  each time                                                               
the judiciary  is paid he/she  must sign an  affidavit specifying                                                               
that there  are no  pending motions or  other matters  for longer                                                               
than  six  months.    Representative  Gruenberg  inquired  as  to                                                               
Commissioner   Irwin's  thoughts   regarding  such   a  statutory                                                               
requirement for [DNR].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  IRWIN   opined  that  such  a   change  could  have                                                               
unintended consequences.  The department,  he related, works very                                                               
hard  with the  companies  to  try to  make  something work  out.                                                               
However,  if  the  legislature  determines  a  specific  date  is                                                               
necessary, the department will make the decision.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  inquired  as  to  whether  the  appeal                                                               
regarding  the  failure  to  extend  leases is  de  novo,  a  new                                                               
hearing, or is the appeal on the record.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   IRWIN  asked   if   Representative  Gruenberg   is                                                               
referring  to  Point  Thomson  specifically   or  all  leases  in                                                               
general.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG clarified that  he was referring to "the                                                               
other matter."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN  explained that  he reviews  all the  data and                                                               
takes testimony  upon appeal.   Ultimately, the decision  is his,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG surmised  then that  it's discretionary                                                               
and can be done on the record or  via a de novo appeal.  He asked                                                               
if people can request the presentation of additional evidence.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN said that is correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  related  his  understanding  that  the                                                               
times  Mr.   Banks  provided  regarding  when   leases  would  be                                                               
available  were  the appeal  to  be  denied  are subject  to  the                                                               
possibility  that a  stay may  be granted.   He  asked if  that's                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said  he wouldn't place a tract of  land with a clouded                                                               
title into  a lease  sale.   It wouldn't  be good  to offer  up a                                                               
lease  if  there  was  a  stay on  the  department's  actions  to                                                               
terminate the  leases in  some form  or another.   "The  value of                                                               
that tract of  land would be blemished by  the proceedings before                                                               
it," he pointed out.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG posed a scenario  in which an appeal was                                                               
filed, but  no stay was sought  or a stay was  sought but denied.                                                               
He asked  if the tract would  be offered for a  lease nonetheless                                                               
or would that be considered a cloud on the title.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS,  drawing from his  own experience, recalled  that with                                                               
leases that had not been  formally terminated, but were well past                                                               
the  termination date,  the [department]  has [had  difficulties]                                                               
with other lessees  in which the previous lessee  and the current                                                               
award  winner  both  sue  the   state.    In  regard  to  earlier                                                               
testimony, Mr. Banks  clarified that he had not  called Mr. Davis                                                               
a  liar, but  merely  specified  that Mr.  Davis  is  not on  the                                                               
contracts  for the  vessel or  the jack-up  rig.   Therefore, Mr.                                                               
Davis's  financial  picture  isn't  of issue  in  the  particular                                                               
scenario.   At the moment,  Pacific Energy has the  commitment to                                                               
bring up the jack-up rig.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:19:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  inquired as to the  milestones for DNR in  the next                                                               
12 months, regarding  Escopeta and Point Thomson  and the ability                                                               
to move forward to build an ice road.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:20:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered that  he is fairly  reluctant to  specify the                                                               
path the state should take with  regard to Point Thomson as these                                                               
are very intense negotiations with  all of the owners.  Regarding                                                               
Escopeta, Mr. Banks said that  Escopeta was given a December 31st                                                               
date.   In the two  years Escopeta [has  held the lease]  no well                                                               
has been  drilled, and therefore it's  time to do something.   He                                                               
opined  that  the [decision]  with  regard  to Escopeta  will  be                                                               
forthcoming soon.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  asked whether Mr.  Banks appreciated  how difficult                                                               
it is  for Alaskans  to reconcile  DNR's point  of view  with the                                                               
philosophy exposed by the governor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  pointed out that  Chair Ramras' comments are  based on                                                               
the premise that if a decision  was made to extend the leases for                                                               
Escopeta  to accommodate  Pacific  Energy that  a  well would  be                                                               
drilled.     Mr.  Banks   said  that   he  isn't   convinced  the                                                               
aforementioned will happen.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:22:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERFORD  added that the same  could be said for  the Point                                                               
Thomson  leases.    As mentioned  earlier,  there  were  absolute                                                               
commitments  on  drilling  and   development  from  the  previous                                                               
leaseholders  at   Point  Thomson.     However,  many   of  those                                                               
commitments were  reneged upon.   Therefore, she opined  that the                                                               
department  is  trying  to ensure  that  development  will  occur                                                               
throughout state land.  At some  point, one must look to the past                                                               
to  determine the  future.   If  entities  haven't honored  their                                                               
commitments,  then  other  operators  have to  be  considered  as                                                               
possible drillers  to ensure the  development of all  the state's                                                               
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  remarked, "From my  point of view,  you're wrecking                                                               
my state ... and  it hurts ....  From Flint  Hills to Healy clean                                                               
coal to Point Thomson to  the Cook Inlet, government just doesn't                                                               
seem to have any answers.  And it just drives me nuts."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:24:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS began  by mentioning  that the  package he  has wasn't                                                               
entirely  submitted   to  the  committees  because   there  is  a                                                               
confidentiality agreement  with Mr. Banks.   The [idea]  that the                                                               
contract  with the  heavy lift  vessel  is made  to Escopeta  Oil                                                               
Company  and  Pacific Energy  Alaska  and  was executed  by  both                                                               
entities  and submitted  to the  state  is wrong.   The  drilling                                                               
contract is between  Pacific Energy Alaska, as  the operator, and                                                               
Blake Offshore.   The rig will  work in about 300  feet of water,                                                               
not 150 feet  of water.  Furthermore, Escopeta is  not a party to                                                               
this contract,  but Escopeta  does have  a rig  sharing agreement                                                               
with   Pacific  Energy   Alaska   that   makes  [Escopeta]   half                                                               
responsible  for the  use  of  this rig  when  it  arrives.   The                                                               
aforementioned has also  been submitted to Mr. Banks.   Mr. Davis                                                               
opined that  Mr. Banks hasn't  went through the paperwork  he has                                                               
been sent.   He  said he  would provide  this information  to the                                                               
committees.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  again expressed exasperation with  the government's                                                               
inability to  [move forward with  resource development]  and said                                                               
that the  public is also  exasperated.  Chair  Ramras highlighted                                                               
that the  throughput in the  Trans-Alaska Pipeline  System (TAPS)                                                               
is declining  by 6  percent per  year while  the state  budget is                                                               
growing by  15 percent  a year,  which doesn't  make for  a happy                                                               
picture going forward.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:28:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  acknowledged Chair  Ramras' frustration,  and related                                                               
the desire to move to production  with Point Thomson.  Mr. Haymes                                                               
then  read  from  the  July  7 DNR  permit  that  was  issued  to                                                               
ExxonMobil  pertaining to  conductors, as  follows:   "The permit                                                               
was  approved  based  on this  attached  document  titled  'Point                                                               
Thomson Drilling  Program, Equipment Staging and  Pad Preparation                                                               
Project  Description June  11, 2008."   He  read from  the second                                                               
paragraph on page 1, as follows:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  proposed  work  includes facilitating  removal  of                                                                    
     equipment  currently  stored  on  the  pad  by  another                                                                    
     operator,   placement   of    ice   road   construction                                                                    
     equipment,  a 30-man  construction  camp, fuel  storage                                                                    
     tanks, and  fuel associated with ice  road construction                                                                    
     and for  use in  other operations, and  maintenance and                                                                    
     site preparation of the existing  pad.  The maintenance                                                                    
     and  site   preparation  work  will   include  grading,                                                                    
     placing   gravel  from   the  Prudhoe   Bay  area   and                                                                    
     installation   of   cellars    (ph)   and   conductors.                                                                    
     Following site  preparation work  a small staff  may be                                                                    
     maintained on  site for maintenance and  security until                                                                    
     ice road  construction personnel mobilize to  the Point                                                                    
     Thomson 3 gravel pit area ... in November or December.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:30:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS asked  if  that language  comes from  the                                                               
state permit.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  clarified that ExxonMobil  submitted a  Point Thomson                                                               
drilling program,  site staging  description, which  was approved                                                               
with the permit approval.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS surmised  then  that  the conductors  are                                                               
included in the plan for which ExxonMobil obtained a permit.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  related the  following from  an article  by Dermott                                                               
Cole  (ph)  titled  "State  will   struggle  with  new  financial                                                               
realities  created by  falling oil  prices."   The aforementioned                                                               
article says:  "Just as the  nation will struggle to adapt to new                                                               
economic realities, so  will the state.  Facing  lower oil prices                                                               
and declining North Slope oil  production, now about one-third of                                                               
what it was  two decades ago; it takes more  than chanting 'Drill                                                               
baby drill.' to address this problem."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS   related  his  understanding   from  the                                                               
earlier  testimony   of  Mr.  Banks   and  Ms.   Rutherford  that                                                               
ExxonMobil didn't have permits for the subsurface conductors.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  explained that  was the permit  from which  Mr. Haymes                                                               
read.   It was  a general  use permit issued  by the  Division of                                                               
Mining, Land,  and Water.  The  permit would have been  issued to                                                               
any entity  that had to perform  remediation work or work  on the                                                               
pad that would've been required  upon the termination of a lease.                                                               
Regarding the  language about conductors,  it wasn't part  of the                                                               
permit he saw as it was issued by another division.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  related his  understanding then  that the                                                               
state  gave ExxonMobil  a  permit  to build  a  staging area  for                                                               
equipment and fuel to build an  ice road.  ExxonMobil spent money                                                               
to  do  so.    The  state  also  gave  ExxonMobil  a  permit  for                                                               
subsurface  conductors,  although  testimony today  related  that                                                               
ExxonMobil wasn't  given such  a permit.   He questioned  why the                                                               
one permit was denied.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERFORD  clarified that  the  permit  was a  general  use                                                               
permit for surface  activity.  Although the permit  may have made                                                               
a reference to  conductors, it doesn't mean that  the Division of                                                               
Mining,  Land, and  Water understood  [the  conductors] would  be                                                               
used  as  a   subsurface  device.    General   use  permits,  she                                                               
explained, are  issued to entities  that don't have to  have land                                                               
use  control of  the oil  and gas  properties prior  to issuance.                                                               
The division has  been very aggressive about  not denying general                                                               
use  permits as  well as  denying permits  for the  Point Thomson                                                               
area, since the state is in litigation over that unit.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS said that  he understands giving leverage,                                                               
but this is  an "Alice in Wonderland" situation.   "If this state                                                               
does  not get  a  gas pipeline,  we  are all  so  screwed.   This                                                               
economy is so screwed," he stressed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:36:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON opined that the  state has permitted drilling in                                                               
so much  as there is  125 feet of pipe  in the ground  to prevent                                                               
mud from coming up at Point Thomson.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERFORD  relayed that she  was recently in  a conversation                                                               
with Mr.  Haymes, who clearly  stated ExxonMobil wouldn't  do any                                                               
drilling not permitted  by DNR.  She then  opined that ExxonMobil                                                               
doesn't perceive that as drilling  and they truly understand that                                                               
it is  a general use permit  and that ExxonMobil's leases  in the                                                               
unit have defaulted.   ExxonMobil, she pointed out,  is trying to                                                               
settle the  matter as it is  in good faith negotiations  with the                                                               
state.   Ms. Rutherford emphasized  that [DNR] issues  many types                                                               
of permits  to entities without  any land use rights;  the permit                                                               
under discussion is  one such permit.  "A word  buried at the end                                                               
of a  document as an  attachment will  not change the  dynamic of                                                               
the litigation,"  she stated.   Ms.  Rutherford opined  that it's                                                               
extremely unfortunate  that 25 years  after the last  activity at                                                               
Point Thomson, the [state] doesn't  know whether Point Thomson is                                                               
an oil field  that should be developed for 20  years prior to gas                                                               
development  or a  gas field  in which  the gas  can go  into the                                                               
pipeline at the initial open season.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:37:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO related  that a conductor is a piece  of wire that                                                               
takes electricity  from point A  to be bled off  at point B.   If                                                               
the division gives a permit that  allows for someone to operate a                                                               
conductor, is  [the term conductor]  defined or is  the rationale                                                               
that it means  something different to the division  than to Point                                                               
Thomson, he asked.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERFORD said  that she  hasn't seen  the attachment,  and                                                               
therefore doesn't  know if  [conductor] is a  defined term.   She                                                               
said she guessed that [conductor] isn't a defined term.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said he  wanted to  be sure  that Alaskans                                                               
don't  have  the impression  that  there  is no  activity  taking                                                               
place.   He then highlighted  that on the Lower  Kenai Peninsula,                                                               
Cosmopolitan has scheduled  20 wells and a rail  system to extend                                                               
three miles underneath  Cook Inlet to develop an oil  field.  The                                                               
exploratory  wells have  been drilled  and now  [Cosmopolitan] is                                                               
moving  into the  production drilling  phase.   He also  reminded                                                               
members that  Armstrong has  drilled a second  well at  the North                                                               
Fork field.  He then expressed  the hope for more drilling in the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS remarked,  "Representative  Seaton,  just like  the                                                               
constituents I serve, you have communities  that have no gas.  We                                                               
should be awash in gas.  It's just inexcusable."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:41:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  recalled  earlier testimony  from  Mr.                                                               
Banks  in  which  he  said  that "Pacific  Energy  was  close  to                                                               
bankruptcy."   He further recalled Mr.  Banks' testimony relating                                                               
that the department  is unsure whether the project  would ever be                                                               
built  or the  drilling take  place if  the permit  was given  to                                                               
Pacific Energy,  Escopeta Oil,  et cetera.   If the  condition of                                                               
Pacific  Energy  is  crucial   to  the  decision,  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg  requested  discussion  with regard  to  the  financial                                                               
status  of  Pacific  Energy  and  how  that  is  impacting  DNR's                                                               
decision in the Escopeta Oil and Pacific Energy matter.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  informed the  committees  that  Pacific Energy  is  a                                                               
publicly traded company in the  Canadian Stock Exchange.  Pacific                                                               
Energy is reporting  that a $430 million loan  has been converted                                                               
from a long-term to a current  debt.  Pacific Energy has admitted                                                               
that  its  debt  to  revenue  ratio is  fairly  steep.    Pacific                                                               
                       th                                                                                                       
Energy's  September  30   quarterly  report indicates  these  are                                                               
issues that  need to  be sorted  out before  moving forward.   In                                                               
fact, one of Pacific Energy's  employees describes the company as                                                               
externally financed, a  company with a small  revenue stream from                                                               
a few  of its  leases in  Cook Inlet  and properties  in Southern                                                               
California.   Mr.  Banks opined  that  Pacific Energy  is out  of                                                               
balance in terms of carrying the kind of debt they have.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded that he  finds it amazing that Pacific Energy                                                               
is the only company in the  US that's in trouble.  He highlighted                                                               
some of the large companies in the  US that are going broke.  Mr.                                                               
Davis then related  that he is going to call  Vladimir Kadik (ph)                                                               
in  the morning  to determine  if he  will farm  out the  Corsair                                                               
project,  if the  appeal  and leases  are  approved.   Therefore,                                                               
everything  would  be put  under  Escopeta  and be  unitized  and                                                               
drill.    If  [Pacific  Energy] then  goes  into  bankruptcy,  it                                                               
wouldn't impact any  of the operations on the  leases as [Pacific                                                               
Energy] would  retain overriding  royalties.   The aforementioned                                                               
can be done, he stressed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:45:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES clarified that the  comment he read before was located                                                               
on page  1 of  the plan in  the second main  paragraph.   He then                                                               
pointed out that he wasn't aware  that the ice road ExxonMobil is                                                               
proposing to  construct is on  any of the leases  currently under                                                               
dispute.  The ice road goes  from the Endicott Causeway along the                                                               
ocean and then arrives at the Point Thomson site.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS shared that in Texas  when one owns the land, sometimes                                                               
people  own the  surface and  the minerals  underneath.   He then                                                               
inquired as to  the ownership in Alaska and  questioned where the                                                               
surface stops and the minerals  start.  If ExxonMobil has drilled                                                               
160 feet  deep and  set conductors,  it's considered  drilling in                                                               
Texas, he related.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:47:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS   commented  that  the  upcoming   legislature  has                                                               
interesting tasks before it.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:49:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business  before the committees, the joint                                                               
meeting  of  the House  Resources  Standing  Committee and  House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee was adjourned at 5:49:12 PM.                                                                     

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